tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6134723288757688995.post2284514229110866494..comments2023-08-11T08:43:45.182-06:00Comments on Following the Voice within: I should explain.....Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6134723288757688995.post-37097297683900599762011-02-23T09:58:26.074-07:002011-02-23T09:58:26.074-07:00Thank you for the feedback.
I'll agree with ...Thank you for the feedback. <br /><br />I'll agree with you that the lead-up to Trent (culminating with the doctrinal institution of the priest as requirement for sacraments) is when things start to go a bit pear-shaped, though the sacerdotal 'thing' is 20th century. Sorry, but after hearing multiple times that "its always been that way" and such, I'm rather put out with Magisterial misinformation.<br /><br />Also, I agree that the episcopate (as in bishops up to the Pope), are, on average, more secularized than the front-line clergy...a possible confluence of familiarity->contempt and with power comes pretty toys. I see it as an oversimplification to lay things at Constantine's feet, but it is an academic argument at best. <br /><br />More important is to see that it has happened, and not just once. The battle against the corruptive influence of secular power and money within the clergy is one of the key drivers of the Clunaic reform in the 11th century, the 13th century Dominican/Franciscan reforms and the Magisterial (Lutherian protestant) reforms and their Trentian counterparts in the 16th century. <br /><br />Much is made of the reforms at the priestly level, but the effects run deeper and broader. <br />Obviously, the higher one goes in the hierarchy, the harder it is to see the 'ground' floor where the naked, the poor, the hungry, the sick, the dying are. <br /><br />You know....where Christ is.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04200045196217644013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6134723288757688995.post-80397545433879365222011-02-22T17:02:49.799-07:002011-02-22T17:02:49.799-07:00Tim thanks for this. I did not know that Aquinas ...Tim thanks for this. I did not know that Aquinas was tasked with defining why women could not be priests. That's very interesting.<br /><br />I disagreed with Tony in that I actually feel it was at Trent where the priesthood really got diverted. I agree with him though, that the bishopric got co opted much earlier and like him would lay the start of that at the feet of Constantine--at least in those areas under the direct control of Rome.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.com